Host of KCRW’s To The Point Warren Olney opened up the discussion on Whatever Happened to the ‘Arab Spring?’’ with Carnegie’s Lina Khatib, the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma’s Joshua Landis, the Institute for Middle East Studies at George Washington University’s Mark Lynch, and TIME’s Aryn Baker:

“Three years ago, it appeared that anti-government uprisings might lead to the spread of democracy in the Middle East. Now it appears that the democratic process is being used to sustain the power of dictatorships. Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad is staging a re-election campaign after destroying major cities, killing more than 160,000 people and driving millions of refugees to other countries. But many of those refugees are voting to re-elect him. Is tyrannical order the only alternative to chaos and the spread of terror? Egypt’s former general Abdel Fattah al-Sisi overthrew an elected government, outlawed political opposition and staged his presidential election. Is another military dictatorship preferable to the Muslim Brotherhood? With the collapse of the so-called ‘freedom agenda,’ we look at the options for U.S. influence in the Middle East.”

This interview was originally broadcasted on KCRW’s To The Point.